That Ned Lamont thing? It just keeps paying dividends, boychik.
*Dividends*.
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Latest payout?
Citizens for McCain.
John McCain knows he is going to be the President of all Americans, not just the ones that voted for him. No matter what party you belong to or who you supported during the primary campaign, we want you to be part of our team.
And do you who's helping Senator McCain with that?
(slow, mocking smile)
Guess.
Lieberman launches grassroots organization
From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca SinderbrandWASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Joe Lieberman – who has taken on increasingly high-profile campaign roles on behalf of presumptive Republican nominee John McCain – announced Thursday that was launching and heading a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain," with a direct appeal to Hillary Clinton’s disappointed supporters.
“The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times,” Lieberman wrote in a message sent to the Arizona senator’s supporters. “Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton.”
Over the past few weeks, some supporters of Hillary Clinton – whose campaign announced Wednesday that she would be suspending her presidential run this weekend — have said that they would consider voting for McCain if she were not the Democratic nominee.
Lieberman highlighted McCain’s “very good working relationship with Senator Clinton” – which he said would continue in the future – and his comments praising her in a speech at a Louisiana campaign event Wednesday.
Oh, I'm sure that once Senator Clinton concedes the race Saturday...
- by which I mean that she: explicitly drops out of the race; explicitly endorses Senator Barack Obama by name for President; formally and explicitly releases her delegates to vote for Senator Barack Obama; and promises to give Senator Barack Obama all the help that she can, explicitly including her contribution lists and whatever general election money that she can legally transfer. That's what's going to happen Saturday, right? -
...this will all be, as they say, moot. But until then, hey, lots of fun all around. Not to mention a blatant reminder how Lieberman got away and continues to get away with breaking away (at least in public) from the Democrats over the Iraq War. But, hey: the Democratic Party will no doubt promise that they'll be stripping the apostate of all his chairships with the new Congress. And you can believe them when they say that: after all, when was the last time that they lied to the netroots?
(pause)
Ah, 7:50 PM, Eastern Standard Time. Why do you ask?
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That Ned Lamont thing? It just keeps paying dividends, boychik. 44 Comments (0 topical, 44 editorial, 0 hidden) Post a comment »
I would be willing to bet the Senator CT still has a warm place in his heart for the party that has treated him so well. He would never run for the VP spot on some sort of fusion ticket.
I am certain that he neither wants nor expects the VP spot from McCain. After all supporting Senator McCain against the very NUTROOTS that drove him from the party he spent his life in couldn't possibly be sufficient reward on its own ? Could it ?
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
'Cause I think Lieberman would jump at the chance. Sunday morning talk show guys, and Matthews et al. love anything involving Republicans selling out to Democrats.
I think Rush would spontaneously combust if this happened. He'd be calling on the dittoheads to vote Obama.
I think if Lieberman saw Markos on fire he would walk to a gas station gladly shell out $4+/gal for premium and pour it all over the king of the nutroots.
I don't see Lieberman as a bad idea as veep. Seeing as we are doing firsts this election it would be nice to have the first Jewish vice President. Jews as a block (gahh I hate the identity play but this is reality) are a much better fit for the Republican party than they are for the Dems. If the Senator from CT were running as our VP pick it would pry away a traditional D block.
As to human pyrotechnics, I think we would see plenty of that on both sides of the Aisle. It might be the first time I have ever enjoyed anything bipartisan except mudwrestling.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
But I don't think Jewish people (I'm an Irish Protestant guy, so what do I know?) behave as a voting bloc the way that blacks do. Plus, they represent a small, though concentrated, portion of the electorate. I could see this helping in two states---Florida and Penn. We ain't winning New York or New Jersey. If we need a huge bloc of the Jewish vote to win Florida, we're losing anyway. That leaves Pennsylvania (which, I think, translates into "Penn has a tree up his butt"). I'm not sure they put us over the top in Penn either.
Oh, and he's really a Liberal except on the war. There's that.
(or at least it used to)
The Jewish vote could be critical downstate. Also it would help to actually have a republican party in that state. We could take the elephant off the back of milk cartons.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I agree that they don't vote as a bloc. However, from anecdotal evidence, I do believe they are either liberal or libertarians, but rarely Republicans (presumably, due to strong connection with evangelical Christians?). Since Obama's the nominee, that might change, though it will probably be along age lines. For example, Liberman's step son, Rabbi Ethan Tucker, plans to vote for Obama.
There are various eyes. Even the Sphinx has eyes: and as a result there are various truths, and as a result there is no truth.
~Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm willing to bet you that Giuliani is better known and more popular among Jews than Lieberman is. Being mayor of New York, a city with more Jews in it than Tel Aviv, helps a lot with name recognition.
McCain should have Giuliani actively campaign for him in New Jersey and just about everywhere else. I know Jews will listen to him.
don't like Lieberman, they like Hillary (and they ignore her Arafat kissyface stuff). They consider Lieberman a traitor.
Of course being sort of upstate, I know mostly Catholics and few Jews. And upstate is red only in comparison with the extreme blueness of the downstate area.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
As I understood it, the Democrats kept Lieberman in his leadership post to keep him from turning control of the Senate over the the Republicans via a 50-50 split.
However, once the Democrats get more Senate seats, as is almost certain in the next Congress (regretfully), then they don't need Lieberman's vote and they can dump him over the side.
That will actually free up Lieberman to be a true maverick, where he can support the Republicans on foreign policy while staking out classic liberal positions on domestic issues.
Heck, a few more and we might see the rise of the Maverick party. Their party conventions would be quite a hoot, though.
And I think Joe knows there is no way he gets re-elected in CT.
He will be looking for VP or a cabinet slot.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
And just who do you see running against him ? esp. After Lament, can now lament flushing all of that money of his wife's down the toilet.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Those bridges are burned & the ashes spread over 1000 square miles. He can't win as a CT democrat. NEVER.
So, does he change parties? Maybe. But he would be a big time underdog in CT as a Republican.
He will NEVER be elected to anything in CT again.
Time to work in the McCain admin and then cash in.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
There is no chance he wins again, especially as an I. He got most of the R vote because of a very poor R candidate which I don't see happening again. He also got a chunk of the D votes, but after the last couple years and his speaking at the GOP Convention, the McCain campaigning, and the promises he's already broken that he made while trying to win the D primary, there simply will be almost no D votes the next time. He might be able to win on the R ticket, but I don't see him winning that primary, and if he does he'll still loose because the state votes blue anyway. He's toast.
When he ran as an I last time, he got alot of dem support that will be gone next time. He made promises (such as whole heartedly supporting the dem presidential candidate and others) that he has completely broken. Lamont barely beat him last time - anyone would crush him in a primary now.
The Republicans didn't support Schlesinger at all - they rallied around Joe. Given the apparent vulnerability, do you really think the R's will promote an I again over a R?
He could run as an R, but as someone else mentioned, he is a flaming D in every other way than foreign policy.
Joe won't win another election in CT.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
And that was early. Somehow I don't think there is going to be a great problem with Senator Lieberman breaking that promise.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Yeah, and it was cold in Boise yesterday.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
seems it isn't the best of years for warming.
Or do you have some rationale why we are breaking under ten year records despite the increase in CO2 ?
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
no sale. I'm not playing.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
As Mr. Simpson pointed out, He didn't get the nomination last time. And He didn't win as a Democrat last time either.
He will NEVER be elected to anything in CT again.
You say that as if its authoritative. When as usual it is your opinion with nothing whatsoever to back it up. (except perhaps an excess of emotion)
While I am in the neighborhood.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
Lets take this apart.
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... "
In theory maybe ? In actuality liberalism cares nothing about opportunity and only a forced equality of outcome. What do you think racial quotas are ?
including extensive freedom of thought and speech,
I believe political correctness indicates how liberals actually feel about free speech. I.E. you can say whatever you like as long it criticizes non liberals.
limitations on the power of governments,
Seeing as liberals uniformly use government to implement their ideals, this seems little more than a bald faced lie.
the rule of law,
Oh come now. After what activist courts have done to the constitution, you say that with a straight face ? After election 2000 ? I Mean really I would complement your stones but I am certain its just an irony deficiency on your part.
the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy,
So I suppose Libs wouldn't be for banning books ? You must mention this to Orianna fallaci. (Just to pick a prominent example). Market or mixed economy ? that is not even worth a response.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
as you are on climate.
What do you think the odds are that Lieberman slides fully over to the GOP?
I realize that except for Iraq, GWOT and maybe a couple of more issues Lieberman is actually a liberal but still. With the Democrats going from liberal to Marxist, seriously, what are the odds of Lieberman going Republican?
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I like Lieberman, I believe he is an honorable man but he is a liberal; his voting record shows that. Certainly he would be a good addition to the McCain ticket, if McCain was looking to gain those centrist democrats, which we know he is.
But let's not discount the fact that a McCain/Lieberman ticket does absolutely nothing from a conservative standpoint. While I wish no ill will on McCain, a 1-term stint with a strong conservative as VP as an incumbent in 2012 would do wonders for setting us up for future success is best.
Now as a cabinet secretary.... that I could support willingly.
I'm getting tired of supporting McCain unwillingly.
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But let's not discount the fact that a McCain/Lieberman ticket does absolutely nothing from a conservative standpoint.
Oh, it does something all right.
It goes a long way to repair the GOP brand in the eyes of the public. Right now, it's the GOP, not conservatism as an ideology, that has been discredited. America is still a center-right country--but polls show that the perception is that the GOP has become incompetent and corrupt. That's your problem right now.
Unless conservatives want to start a third party, they are stuck working through the GOP.
Right now, the biggest problem conservatives have is not their power base within the GOP. Their biggest problem is that the GOP will get clobbered and take conservatives with it.
If the GOP can repair its brand, the failings of the Bush Administration can be put behind it eventually. By 2010, conservatives will no longer have to twist themselves into pretzels making excuses for Bush or Rumsfeld or Condi Rice. (By 1980, when Reagan was running for President, nobody was mentioning Nixon and Watergate anymore.)
So basically you support the creating of a structure, a big tent if you will that allows liberals who do not hold the most basic of conservative principals into the highest levels of office as a method of curing our ills?
I ardently disagree. While I don;t disagree that the Bush years have done things that are less then conservative, they are in the past. They are done and we must look to the future to rebuild the conservative ideals into the party. And this means not accepting liberals defining the arguments and our accepting them as fact.
And this is why I too agree that the GOP will be clobbered. Because we have failed to stand up, declare our positions and FIGHT. We can change this downward direction; it can not be done by healing but by adhering to our core conservative principals and voicing our positions every day in every forum. And while I don't want a purge of the ranks, we must purge no less.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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... maybe State? I dunno, how would people feel about that? Sure he's a liberal on most domestic policy issues, but that wouldn't matter at State.
Hey, drumming him out of the Democratic Party is what you might call a two-edged sword.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I'm sure Gov Rell would do the right thing. But does anybody know if CT has any laws in place that forces the appointment of a person from the same party affiliation?
Here in AZ when McCain wins Gov Napolitano a big time Democrat gets to place whomever she wants. The conventional wisdom is she will appoint a weak placeholder to set her up for the special election.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
--Aristotle
You're wrong. In AZ, you have to appoint a person from the same party. Look it up.
"I will look for people in the cast of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and my friend the late William Rehnquist – jurists of the highest caliber who know their own minds, and know the law, and know the difference." - John McCain
What I was alluding to is that Napolitano can appoint anyone she chooses without regard to the wishes of the AZGOP.
From the folks that have been talked about it's diffucult to accept that they actually are Republican.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
--Aristotle
...or does the open seat go to special election? In the latter case, I suspect the seat will return formally to the Democrats.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Rell is not constrained under current law. She can appoint anybody without regard to maintaining party control.
Ironically, if she did have to limit herself to someone of the same party it would mean that Lieberman himself would choose his successor as, right now, I believe he is the only member of his party. He'd basically admit one more person as a member of his Party and Rell would have to pick that person. Remember that he's not a Democrat officially.
Of course, the CT legislature could deprive Rell of the appointment power and require that the seat be filled by special election (see Massachusetts for how to be partisans on this subject).
Actually Lieberman isn't technically a member of "his" party. He forgot to actually register the party with the state and just used the name. I fail to see how that would even be legal on the ballot, but that's what happened. So someone else registered the party who hated him and they voted him out or something :)
Any cabinet post that requires extensive travel to the Arab world. I'm sure they'd love having to host an American Jew, and old Joe's got the guts to do it.
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would probably enjoy having a dinner conversation with him.
Has anyone on this thread looked at his voting record.
Please do a reality check before wooing him for your VP.
The GOP already has an excess of liberals among its ranks.
Perhaps some kind soul could explain how adding an even more liberal RINO to our ranks would help rebuild the GOP.
Reality check people, please. (And I mean that in the kindest way.)
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Maggie in Indiana